
So I checked out the myschool website - http://www.myschool.edu.au/
Both schools were below average for years 3, 5 and 7. My first reaction? What the Fuck?
I have two school aged children. One in year 2, one in Year 6.
Sam, in year 2, has Aspergers and luckily he began Prep at a school with a Special Education Unit that is highly regarded on the Gold Coast. As such, a lot of kids at his school need extra attention. Some, like Sam, who is in a main stream classroom, need a teacher aid with them a lot of the time, so they can concentrate, learn their ABCs and 123s and not skiv off to the sandpit and play. Others need no help academically, but need a lot of help behaviour wise. Either way, this school has a very large proportion of children with varying degrees of academic ranges and the majority sat that test.
And they still did better than my daughters school that we pay for.
So turns out she couldn’t understand him for the majority of year 4. He was a lovely man. He really liked Maddie. He made her the mentor of other wayward children in her class, with the best of intentions, but at the end of the day, the realisation that my child was to be taught by this teacher again in year 5 and possibly not learn, concerned me. We were always going to send her to a Private High School anyway, so figured, Year 5 was as good a time as any to change her to our only affordable option – Catholic Education.
See, this is the problem. When I was a kid there were private schools on the Gold Coast. Not nearly as many as there are today, but the major ones were there. But it wasn’t an issue. Well it didn’t appear to be. You went to the school you lived the closest to. Or, if you were exceptionally wealthy, you went to one of the private schools. End of story. Even then, everyone was still friends. There certainly didn’t appear to be the same sort of class system. Nor was the awkward conversation at dinner parties “Oh so where does your child go to school?” Fuck, isn’t it hard enough just to exist these days, let alone be judged by what sort of education your child receives? And isn’t it our right, as a taxpayer, as an Australian, for our children to receive the best of education and health regardless of wealth?
And most teachers at state schools are wonderful. My son has had the best teacher for the last 2.5 years I could ever have hoped for. She was wonderful. I truly believe it comes down to what suits your child. Only you, as the parent can make this call.
I can totally see the frustration on both sides of the fence for both pro Naplan testing and anti. Teachers are being raked over the coals for shite results that aren’t directly their fault. Some schools are getting awesome results due to the fact they deliberately wrangled for less academically gifted children to avoid sitting the test.
The thing is, we all just want our children to get a decent education. We don't want to feel ashamed because our children are attending under performing schools. We don’t want special attention or favours. We don’t expect to have sunshine blown up our arses about how good how child is. We do expect however, to get decent, fair and equitable teaching for our children. No matter what school that they attend. No child should get better marks because they have access to more equipment at home to process an assignment. No child should get favoured because they catch up with a certain childs mother from time to time. That crap has to stop.
So this website may eventually help average out the results across the country. If a school is particularly struggling, perhaps a crack team of experts will descend on the school and work out how to help the situation. That to me, would be a positive outcome generated from this site.
Apparently there is a frenzy of parents pulling their children out of under performing schools based on this website but, if you were happy with your childs school before this website went live but now have concerns, back yourself. You know what’s best because no one knows you child quite like you do.


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Its frustrating. Of all the education systems my son travelled through on his pathway we found the Qld system to be the most probematic. My hope for the My School data base is to bring more accountability and straight answers from educators.
oh, and now I see my typing error!! Problematic.
I wish my typing skilz were better, but then again, that's not tested :)
We were considering changing schools when the first round of testing was done, as our boys were both below average in many areas. The My School website confirms that their school is below average in the same areas. Coincidence? Possibly, but we're not prepared to take that risk in these all-important formative years. Now the fun part - negotiating with their Mum to change their school. I certainly wouldn't rely solely on the My School data to make this decision, but as you said, it's up to parents to make the call, as they know their children best.
I love reading your blogs and never comment, but as an education professional with a wife who teaches at secondary level I simply HAVE to have my say here.
There are a couple of central assumptions that most people are making about the MySchool website. The first assumption is that the NAPLAN test actually measures something meaningful. In my opinion this is simply not true. What the NAPLAN test actually measures is whether your child, on a given day, in the hurly burly of school life, can answer some pretty inane and mostly pointless questions that may or may not have any actual relationship to what they have been 'studying'. The best way for a school to get excellent results on the NAPLAN would be to simply get the kids to do NAPLAN tests all day every day. Now do yourself a favour and look at a NAPLAN test. Would you want that to be ALL your child did at school?
Secondly, there is an assumption that the school and its teaching is the only factor in the results. Actually, it is far more likely that the particular student profile dictates the results. It is well known that lower socio-economic areas produce students who do worse at school. (There are a range of quite sensible reasons for this which are unrelated to 'natural abilities'). Therefore many schools with great teachers and tremendous programs should be applauded for even approaching a national average. The real proof of this point will be when misinformed parents start moving their kids to high scoring schools, only to find that their gorgeous little munchkins are now dragging that school's scores to below average.
In the end I think the most important questions are whether your kids are happy at school and their lives stimulating. Your kids sound like they are learning just fine. If your daughter is good at English, reads heaps and is happy, what does it matter what grades she gets? Your influence as a great parent is clearly stronger than that of the odd bad teacher or slightly underperforming school.
And by the way, next time a private school snob looks down their nose, ask them whether private school students do better at University. They will asuume they do and you can set them straight. They actually don't do any better and some studies show they do worse. e.g. http://www.business.curtin.edu.au/files/04_4.pdf
In short the MySchool site says nothing of any importance and should simply be ignored.
Sorry to have ranted so long. :)
Yeah ... what Dredge_Dragline said ;-) I think it's pretty meaningless overall. My daughter's school, which has a slightly below average profile at year 5 (average at year 3) also has 70% of kids from disadvantaged backgrounds. The school is AWESOME and does a wonderful job of teaching to the kids' level. My kid is excelling there (doing grade 2 work at the end of prep and all that jazz). When her year reaches grade 3, she'll nail the testing, but maybe 60% of her peers won't because of various factors that have nothing to do with the school. Doesn't bother me ONE IOTA.
Parents need information but they also need to get involved, understand the issues, and trust their guts. Making a school decision based just on Naplan is a recipe for disaster. IMO, of course!
My high school was "substatially below" in all areas for the year 9 grade. Considering that's my litle sister's cohort...I'm not really that surprised. I left with an OP 8 and was told my school's average brought all our marks down by about 2-3 OP bands. (Someone complained to EQ). That being said, I'm still doing well academically at uni and my grades are comparable to the private school kids that bought their way into my course...
It's not in a very good area, though. It was always hard to study and learn with the constant flow of police and angry, drunken (armed) parents.
The 'exclusive' selective school I spend a few months in was statistically lower in a few areas and slightly higher in others. But, considering it was made up of "academically high achieving kids" and kids with learning disabilities (I had to attend an interview to show I had good enough grades before they'd enrol me)... How is the NAPLAN going to accurately reflect everyone's progress?
The big problem I see with these tests that rank students and schools is that half of them will be below average.
There is far more to education than the Naplan test.
Thanks for such great information. Funny how a lot of factors are unknown to us, the parents :)
I agree with what Dredge_Dragline said. I too am a teacher, and my kids have been in both public and private schooling. I've also just ranted about this in my blog! NAPLAN testing is not all that accurate - testing is not an accurate form of assessing a child's abilities. It just shows which kids cope in test situations and which don't. Schools are so much more than the sum total of the NAPLAN test scores.
Actually NAPLAN sounds like my Year 12 exam which was totally random and basically decided my whole future. Hope that has changed since I was there ;)
Once again a great post Bern, I always look forward to reading your blog. Both my kids are not yet school age but of course I had a look at the school's results they will be going to and there were no surprising results. If it had shown that it was predominately "below average" i would not be enrolling them in another school. It has a strong sense of community, it is also very close by to us. Also I am very supporting of public schools. Both husband and I went to public schools and we are both university educated and have done well in life from the education we received.
The sheer cost of some private schools makes me snigger. Personally, I would rather take the family on a lovely overseas holiday every year than spend that kind of money on their education. Surely they would learn more that way. I'm pretty sure they would.
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I'm glad a lot of people are seeing this for what it is...worthless. It's actually making me want to get back into the classroom and teach, let's concentrate on that! Great post, Bern.
If it's any help, my sister, my brother and I have 6 and a half uni degress among us. And our high school rated so shittily in the rankings, it was REALLY below on all measures. For reals - it couldn't have been any worse. But lots of kids in my school where from NESBs. And we all worked really hard nevertheless, with some great teachers - some of whom are still there!
Take it with a grain of salt, Bern. I would.
I agree that there's a lot more to a school than the NAPLAN testing, and testing is by nature imperfect. And also that the socio-economic profile will have a big impact on the school's overall performance.
But that doesn't mean that the information is pointless or meaningless. It gives you one snapshot of the school that you can take into account when you're making a decision.
For example, in my area on the Central Coast there are two high schools close to our home. One is a couple of blocks away and the other is about a 10 minute drive. One of the high schools performs substantially above average and the other is woefully below average. That does say something about each school, not just the demographics of the area.
I attended public school, and I would not be interested in sending our daughter to a private school once she is school age, even if we could afford it. But I'm not willing to send her to the worst performing school on the entire Central Coast (based on the My School site, parents feedback and my own interaction with people from the school) out of some misguided sense of loyalty.
I think that some kids are just better at tests than others too - and having all the data on the website based on NAPLAN is not really very realistic. What about representative sports achievements, performance groups, extra curricular activities, languages.....there's so many reasons for sending your kids to a certain school. We were in NSW when the Basic Skills Test came in for year 3's and most of the parents at the beginning of the year meeting were just obsessed with how the kids were going to be prepared for this test, were the teachers going to be specifically teaching towards this test. Freaks me out a bit really.
Well for what it is worth we are about to pull our kids from the only school in 100kms and go with distance ed ... on the NAPLAN the school is in the angry red for EVERYTHING in all year levels ... but it is the leadership, or lack there of at the school that really sucks ... if it smells like poo and it looks like poo then it is probably poo .. we didn't need NAPLAN to tell us this but it was sadly reassuring to find more poo ... thanks le
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